Your serious, I thought this thread was done... but here we go again.
Here’s how Nielsen/NetRatings ranks hardware manufacturers’ web sites by unique visitors in February (unique visitors count only once each shopper who came to a site, no matter how many time that shopper visited), with February this year, February last year and percent growth (in thousands):
•Apple, 41,850, 34,211, 22%
•Hewlett Packard, 16,369, 13,248, 24%
•Dell, 13,967, 14,705, -5%
•Sun Microsystems, 3,229, 3,975, -19%
•IBM, 2,023, 2,873, -30%
•Gateway, 1,941, 2,329, -17%
•Nintendo, 1,631, 856, 91%
•Linksys, 1,558, 1,099, 42%
•Palm, 1,400, 1,491, -6%
•EPSON, 1,359, 1,389, -2%
Now this list does not say which hardware was the most sold and I am sure if I took the time I could find you the list.
This list of site visits shows how popular a brand of hardware is by the general public.
My point as to hardware and Suse in general again is going back to what OS will work with 'SERVER' hardware and what does not work.
If you notice I highlighted 'SERVER', and not 'DESKTOP' which goes right to the heart of the issue.
Sure I could build up a desktop and plug in some sata drives and load SUSE. No muss no fuss and connect a few SIP clients. This is fine for a small business.
What happens to the recordings? What about the SQL database? Real time and nightly backups are issues with 50,000 calls a day loosing everything at 4:59pm would flat suck!
What if the client needs 50, 100 250+ sip stations?
We deal with Raid 10 replicated MYSQL, our recordings are rsync across 3 raid 5 storage servers, we have 7 Raid asterisk servers running today, which is slow for us.
RAID RAID RAID RAID RAID Phew..... see where this is going?
Our servers are poweredge 6850's which require 220v and we have the whole rooom on APC RT10000 Full time UPS 220v in 220v out, with a diesel generator sitting out back of the building.
Why? We do not want these servers to crash and or loose data.
What is the most reliable way of obtaining this? Yes, you gessed it 'HARDWARE RAID'.
Whe went full tilt on the raid, extra ram, batteries on the ram cards cache, 15k rpm drives. This is much better than plugging in some 5k rpm sata's to a MB and loading a software raid.
Here is the issue ... Suse does not work out of the box with most Dell raid cards. Same issue with many other brands raid cards. Yes I could load 3rd party drivers and such and figure it out.... but why? When Centos chugs right along with again you guessed it "RAID"!!!
Ubuntu is much more compatable with the Server worlds hardware than Novells Suse...
Ubuntu is fine until you decide to go APC with your very very expensive UPS.
http://shopping.yahoo.com/34516466-apc- ... LTDXcbFt0A
Yes, the price is almost $7,000 for one UPS and that is without extra batteries or the 70 amp dedicated circuit a licensed electrician should come out and install for you. Figure in 220v 20 amp C-14 to C-13 power cords and a couple metered PDU strips at $700.00 apiece to plug into the UPS and you see a true cost of getting reliable regulated power to the servers.
http://shopping.yahoo.com/75696144-apc- ... pYaXcbFt0A
Back to the issue - Ubuntu in thier wisdom decided not to follow Redhat or Centos in thier folder structure.
APC Smart ups monitoring and network shutdown software does not work with Ubuntu.
Somewhere in my email folder I have an Email message from an engineer at APC. He stated very clearly that APC will not install on Ubuntu and never will.
So we had to format our Storage servers that were on Ubuntu and load up Centos. This was a big chore due to the 27 million recordings currently stored there, we had to add a 2nd LAN copy via it due to the traffic on our layer 3 switches.
So with all of this long ballywho I can say I have tried to use Unbuntu, I love it and they even have a tablet version comming soon to compete with Android.
But please Ubuntu stay out of my server room.
I had at one time used Suse and was a convert due to having been affiliated with Novell and a CNE for many years....
I wonder what Novells world would have been like if Microsoft had stayed on just desktops. I do feel like they have missed the boat and should just retire the company.
Sorry to get so long winded but some early comments like shipping servers back and forth because the OS is limited on hardware support makes me wonder if you are going to go and recomend an Amiga or TOS .iso...just kiddng.
For you kids out there TOS is 'The Operating System', used by Atari on thier ST line.
Lastly thank you for all of the hard work. I am trying to get the point out there that Centos needs supported and the reason why many IT guys have gone out of thier way to get Centos on thier VICI systems even if the work involved is from a scratch install.
P.S. I knew the last post wasnt my buddy William, great guy has helped out alot.
Trying is not Bill.
(Bill is williamconley ... note the "william" in williamconley ...?)
However, to be clear: Bill happens to be in agreement that not including CentOS is not a "Flaw". I like CentOS, don't get me wrong, but I'm of the opinion that anyone needing CentOS should be negotiating with Kumba to get whatever they want OR building a CentOS distro themselves. We have clients who want Ubuntu, so we'll be releasing that soon. But we have very few request for CentOS (of course, that could be because we refer CentOS people to Kumba ... but I personally started in the Linux world on CentOS and like it very much, even if their internal politics are hilarious sometimes).
the fact that you have some specific software that you like to use that is only compatible with a couple operating systems ... does not make CentOS "Better" (and I like it ... but that doesn't make it "better" either). Of course, I like Gentoo even more, but nobody cares about that! LOL