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There are some threads about separating programming code and layout for agent screen. I start a new one here because I want to discuss only this topic and not a specific new layout. I do not have a new layout, but I want to make that possible (much more simple as in current vicidial).
So first we need a PHP based template system. My vote for smarty. Other suggestions? Or should we create an own template system for the specific needs in vicidial?
Who is willing to pay for this work?

this has been discussed before.

I was actually proposing to use the smarty templating system.

But i guess no one wants to foot the bill though

I have a customer which pays a part of the development. But it is only a part so I need some more sponsors.
Ok now we have two votes for smarty.

I think there should be a "projects" forum, or whatever you want to call it. The forum should be there to list prices for specific development projects and should invite sponsors to contribute. The customizable agent screen and incomplete QC features immediately come to mind.

If there is a structured forum to cost and invite sponsors for certain projects then I am convinced many more people will be willing to contribute funds. Everyone may then decide which specific project they are interested in and donate accordingly. Having a feature like you propose will certainly attract attention if 100 users contribute $100 instead of us waiting for a sponsor to pay $10 000.

All I am saying is that it will be easier if the costing for projects are made public, sponsors are invited and then feedback given as the project progresses.

I have created a new forum for Projects:
http://www.vicidial.org/VICIDIALforum/viewforum.php?f=9

But before this specific project is posted there we need to finalize some points on this topic.

Templating of the ViciDial agent screen.

Due to the complexity of the agent screen and the use of many hard-coded coordinates(X,Y) for absolute positions of elements on the page, there is some limit to the flexibility of any templating system that may be used.

I would not suggest using a generic templating system like SMARTY due to the overhead and limitations that it will impose on the templating process. I think it might be better to go with some kind of custom template method to streamline the templating options and make page rendering more efficient.

With that in mind, what are the absolute requirements that all of you have for a templating of the vicidial.php agent interface?

mflorell wrote:I have created a new forum for Projects:
http://www.vicidial.org/VICIDIALforum/viewforum.php?f=9

Great!

mflorell wrote:
Due to the complexity of the agent screen and the use of many hard-coded coordinates(X,Y) for absolute positions of elements on the page, there is some limit to the flexibility of any templating system that may be used.

I don't think so. Template System means all HTML Code like positions are in the HTML template.

mflorell wrote:I would not suggest using a generic templating system like SMARTY due to the overhead and limitations that it will impose on the templating process. I think it might be better to go with some kind of custom template method to streamline the templating options and make page rendering more efficient.

Can you please explain in more detail? We do not need to discuss about performance. A templating system will eat up some ressources. But how often is vicidial.php loaded for one agent on one day? Is it possible to limit that with some changes? For example can we swap out the Javascript in a separate php file to lower the load?
The advantages of smarty are the (limited) functions in the templates (the comment field for example - one line or multi-line - if-else construct) and the caching. That would make it much more easier.
The simplest way of a custom template method will be a template with placeholders and simple replace-functions in the php code. With this method the first problem will be a iteration cause some echo's in the current vicidial.php are in a while-loop and there will be other issues to solve. What I want to say: That is additional work and maybe we reinvite the weel. Does somebody know a simple, small and fast template system?
Maybe there is another way. What about some pre-compiling? HTML Template and PHP code are mixed together so a vicidial.php like the current one will be created. But I think that won't be possible...

mflorell wrote:With that in mind, what are the absolute requirements that all of you have for a templating of the vicidial.php agent interface?

Breakup of PHP and HTML code. Means no HTML code in the vicidial.php script. So no HTML positions in vicidial.php cause that needs to be in the template.

There will be many issues involved in completely removing all HTML from the PHP scripts, especially since some of the AJAX scripts output HTML.

If all HTML needs to be removed from the vicidial.php and other php scripts in the agent screen scripts then we are looking at 100+ hours to do templating that way.

Ok I will have a look and try to separate PHP and HTML code the next two weeks. First I will try with Smarty.

Status report. I finished around 50% I think of the agent screen. The template has around 5000 lines (html output of original has near 6500 lines - version 2.0.5). Some variables in the template are not assigned yet. Actually I'm in the Javascript section "function LogouT".
vicidial.php is now around 4600 lines (original 9300 lines). But there is much HTML code left.
Separation of php and html code was simple until now.
Anyone willing to sponsor some work?

BTW: I work on a copy of trunk.

Have you taken a look at this thread? http://www.vicidial.org/VICIDIALforum/v ... php?t=8722

Yes, but what do you want to tell me? That thread is about a new feature. My thread is about introducing the separation of html and php code to vicidial.php. After that it should be possible to have custom layouts easier. Like this http://www.vicidial.org/VICIDIALforum/v ... php?t=3136

Seperate HTML and PHP.


http://forums.devarticles.com/php-devel ... -4322.html

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6261 ... e-and-html

Should we start a poll or discuss again? Please tell us what you prefer for PHP and HTML code separation. I started with smarty now ...

How about FastTemplate:
http://onlamp.com/pub/a/php/2003/10/02/ ... tml?page=1

So Matt please tell me: Is there a chance to include a Smarty template for the agents screen in vicidial or not? If you say "no smarty templates won't be included" I will stop my work and take a closer look to another options.
From the performance point there is a better way: have a vicidial.php with an include at the top of a file vicidial_code.php. In vicidial.php have all the HTML and Javascript code. Only output of variables in lines like
<?echo $variable?>
or if/else/foreach loops in vicidial.php, all other PHP code in vicidial_code.php. Not a good/clean way from the templating side, but there won't be any performance drawbacks.
Somebody else here? In the past there was much activity about templates and new designs. Everyone on vacation!?

I am quite concerned about performance. There are companies with hundreds of agents running on ViciDial and if we have issues with Smarty scaling(like with Vtiger) there could be some serious issues with trying to have 300 agents use the same web interface at the same time.

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